Jo<\/strong>: You look familiar. Have we met before? Jo<\/strong>: I don’t think so. You come here often? Jo<\/strong>: Never been there. Say – were you in Vancouver last year? The Tricentenial Celebrations… AMS, CMS, SEM, SMT? Jo<\/strong>: Did you give a paper? or chair something? Jo<\/strong>: What was the name of the session? Maybe that’s where I saw you. Jo<\/strong>: I’m a musicologist. What are you? Jo<\/strong>: But… at a congress, you must be some kind of ‘ologist.’ Jo<\/strong>: Oh, a composer. Society for Music Theory? Jo<\/strong>: What kind of theory do you write? Jo<\/strong>: I mean, avant garde? Bach? Bartok? Jo<\/strong>: Maybe it was at the no-host cocktail party. Hundreds of people, milling around. Jo<\/strong>: Say, I’ve forgotten your name. Jo<\/strong>: You look like a musicologist. Jo<\/strong>: Sure… we all are. You don’t belong to the College Music Society too…? Jo<\/strong>: Look…I don’t think we’re getting very far. Next you’ll be telling me you’re one of those ethnomusicologists. Jo<\/strong>: Sure… weird things.. .tribal music, folk songs,Asian theater.. .you know, subjects are way out – ethnomusicology. Jo<\/strong>: No, no. That’s not ethno. Nobody gives a damn about… what is it? ‘heavy metal?’ And anybody who studies Bartok is a musicologist. What’s an opera got to do with ethnomusicology? Jo<\/strong>: I’m not sure… musicology of ethnics, I guess. Jo<\/strong>: You know, other people. Jo<\/strong>: Now wait a minute. You’re twisting what I said. I mean other people. Jo<\/strong>: Yeah, you’re getting it… other parts of the world. Jo<\/strong>: No! Well… they could, I guess. I mean other people… like tribes in Africa… those musicians in the palace at Tokyo, that music Elliott Carter got excited about, 25 years ago. Jo<\/strong>: The composer. Jo<\/strong>: No! You keep changing what I mean. Jo<\/strong>: The composer? Jo<\/strong>: No. I don’t. Jo<\/strong>: In what? Jo<\/strong>: His music seems tame enough. Jo<\/strong>: You know about the Maori? Jo<\/strong>: I knew it! Your are a musicologist! Jo<\/strong>: No! Entirely different. Jo<\/strong>: Subjects are different Very different. Jo<\/strong>: It is music… but, as you said… Maori nose flute. Jo<\/strong>: Now you’re getting it. That kind of music. Not Brahms or Beethoven… that’s real music. Jo<\/strong>: Look, you make it sound wrong. Maybe those composers were just ready for something exotic. That’s it! The subject of ethnomusicology is exotic! Jo<\/strong>: You’re really getting it now. That’s it. Strange, foreign, unfamiliar. Jo<\/strong>: There you go again! That’s different.That’s part of our music. It sounds a little strange, because it was a long time ago. That’s musicology. Jo<\/strong>: Sure… well, not personally. But everybody in musicology knows who Frank Harrison is. One of the best for the Middle Ages. Jo<\/strong>: He did? I don’t know… strange idea. Jo<\/strong>: Sure. Everybody knows Harrison’s publications. Jo<\/strong>: Well… I think so… at least I know about them. Jo<\/strong>: They’re considered some of the finest scholarship on music of the Middle Ages. Jo<\/strong>: Definitely not! He’s a musicologist. Jo<\/strong>: I have to go now. See you around.<\/p>\n\n\n\n Ki<\/strong>: Hey, Jo! may I join you for a walk along the quad?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n Jo<\/strong>: Hi! Sure! What are you doing on the UCLA campus? Jo<\/strong>: You didn’t fool me the last time we met. I knew you were a musicologist. Jo<\/strong>: Field recordings? Jo<\/strong>: Oh, in the jungles of Africa or some place like that? Jo<\/strong>: Oh, good. Jo<\/strong>: Oh. Jo<\/strong>: Oh, I see, Musicology, huh? Jo<\/strong>: I think it was at the cocktail party in Vancouver. You were wearing a red tie and a dark blue suit. Jo<\/strong>: Grey suit? Anyhow, I’ve been doing some reading since we last talked, I found out about ethnomusicology, It’s anthropology. Jo<\/strong>: Right! It’s the study of man, That’s anthropology. Anthropology – ethnomusicology. Jo<\/strong>: The music of man. Jo<\/strong>: Right. That’s ethnomusicology. Jo<\/strong>: What? Jo<\/strong>: Are you trying to confuse me? Jo<\/strong>: Well, they don’t mean the same thing. You’re the one who is confused, Musicology isn’t anthropology! Jo<\/strong>: I guess so. Jo<\/strong>: Will you be going to another one of those congresses?
Ki<\/strong>: Perhaps. On the Berkeley campus?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: When I can. Maybe it was Yale … or Indiana.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: Yes, I was there.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: The latter, as a substitute. At the last minute, somebody couldn’t make it.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: It had a long title. I don’t remember precisely.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: A musician.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: Sometimes I write music.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: I’m interested in theory.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: Theories about music.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: Yes… sometimes.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: I was there. Maybe it was the cocktail party.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: Ki.<\/em>Jo<\/strong>: That’s a funny name… mine’s Jo. I’m a musicologist.
Ki<\/strong>: I like your name. You already told me, you’re a musicologist.<\/em>Jo<\/strong>: You never told what you are. You belong to AMS?
Ki<\/strong>: And SMT.<\/em>Jo<\/strong>: Yeah… some people belong to both. Are you a musicologist?
Ki<\/strong>: Sometimes.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: I’m a teacher.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: Sometimes.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: Does an ethnomusicologist study music?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: Tribal… like heavy metal? Folk materials in Bartok? “Madame Butterfly?”<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: You haven’t told me yet. What is ethnomusicology?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: What are “ethnics?”<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: Like music theorists and college teachers?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: Who live in other parts of the world?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: France? Italy? Ireland? Russia?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: The composer?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: Is he an ethnomusicologist?<\/em>
<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: I still haven’t learned what ethnomusicologyis. Somebody once remarked that Percy Granger was an ethnomusicologist. Do you know what they meant?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: Yes.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: He was interested in Maori music.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: Music indigenous to New Zealand.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: The Maori nose flute is tame, too.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: Very little. But I am especially interested inthe fact that Percy Grainger found them interesting.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: Sometimes. But you haven’t made me understand what you mean by ethnomusicology. Is it the same as musicology?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: How?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: Oh. I thought the subject would be music.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: And Hungarian folk music?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: Except for the taste of Elliott Carter, Bartok, and Percy Grainger I’m beginning to understand. The subject of ethnomusicology is music… but not what you mean by real music. And it must belong to a tribe or be a folk song?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: You mean foreign? Strange to our ears? Unfamiliar?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: Like the music of the Middle Ages?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: You know Frank Harrison?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: In 1963, he said all musicology, in fact, is ethnomusicology. What do you think he meant?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: You know his work?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: Have you read some?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: What about them?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: Do you think Professor Harrison is an ethnomusicologist?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: But you haven’t read his publications?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\nDialogue II<\/h2>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: Poking around the music library.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: I’ve been listening to some recordings, field recordings.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: Made in the field.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: No, no, In a very modern recording studio.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: In Tokyo.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: Tokyo symphony orchestra.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: New piece – based on gagaku.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: Don’t own either one.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: Ethnomusicology is anthropology?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: Ki: Before, you said the subject of ethnomusicology is music,..<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: That’s quite inclusive, I’ve been told that every society in the world has some kind of music.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: Then musicology, also, is anthropology.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: Medieval music was the music of man, “Madame Butterfly” is the music of man. Anthropology.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: No, I’m trying to understand you. If anthropology covers both terms, ‘musicology, ethnomusicology,’ why was it ever necessary to coin them?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: I must have misunderstood you, I thought you said that anthropology is the study of man and that ethnomusicology was the study of man’s music. One aspect of anthropology.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: And if that’s ethnomusicology – the study of the music of man – then it must also be musicology.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ki<\/strong>: I might. But perhaps this time, it should be one devoted to anthropology. Some session should pertain to man’s music. Would you recommend that?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n